2024
Material As Memory, Touch As Dialog – A Conversation With Artist James William Murray
Aesence
Aesence: Hey James! It’s a pleasure to talk to you about your work today! Please tell us, how would you describe your art to someone who has never seen it?
James William Murray: Hello Sarah, thank you for your thoughtful questions. My work involves formal and conceptual gestures spanning painting, sculpture, and photography. I tend to work in series and draw from a ‘family’ of materials that are applied in various combinations, including beeswax, graphite, linen, and different types of timber, as well as metals such as steel, copper, brass, and silver. The work reflects upon the sensuality and fragility of the body through the materiality of artistic medium. I often use my own body as a kind of template or formal point of reference, simply because it is the thing that is most readily available, and therefore feels like a logical starting point. The memento mori and the theological concept of the relic are also recurring points of reference.
A: In recent years, your artistic expression has continuously evolved, but your reduced way of expression remains a consistent thread in your work. What particularly attracts you to minimalist aesthetics?
JWM: I’m interested in the overlap between minimalist and classical aesthetics in terms of their shared formal concerns with harmony, proportion, restraint, and clarity. I apply these principles to my work with both abstract and figurative forms, which I don’t see as a binary or opposing force, but part of a continuum.
A: Your work is characterized by touches, markings, tactility, and materiality. How does this physical aspect influence your personal relationship with your artworks?
JWM: I’m less attached to individual pieces than to the overall process of making art, which has an accumulative effect. Touch is a reciprocal exchange — everything we touch touches us back. Sometimes those interactions leave physical marks; other times, they create internal, psychological impressions. Either way, the work marks me as much as I mark it.
A: You spent a significant part of your childhood near a convent. How did this time shape your perspective on spirituality and art?
JWM: Throughout my formative childhood years, I lived in a house next to The Priory of Our Lady in West Sussex, where my mother worked caring for the Sister nuns. From the vantage point of adulthood, I recognize what a significant impact that environment had on my sense of being and belonging as a child.There are certain parallels between devotional practices and the way of life I witnessed at The Priory, and the way I approach art making as a life-long vocation. I would also add that the reverence for touch and materiality in sacred rituals resonates with my thinking around my work and I continue to draw from Catholic symbolism and iconography, both visually and conceptually.
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A: Which part of your creative process do you enjoy the most, and why?
JWM: The fleeting moments when I feel an intense connection between my materials and body are special, but rare. And so, I find the most satisfaction in the quiet, routine rhythm of my studio practice. Recently, I moved to Woodingdean, a village near Brighton on the South East Coast of England, where I’ve built a work space and viewing room next to my house.
A deck runs above part of the building, and on dry days I enjoy working outdoors, immersed in the surrounding chalk Downland. This is a stark contrast to my former city centre studio, which looked out onto a very busy traffic intersection. I love working here — it feels like a natural merging of my domestic and working life.
A: Your monochrome graphite paintings create intriguing complex textures that reflect and distort light. Can you tell us more about how you create these works and how you embrace the distinct quality of this material?
JWM: My graphite paintings are an ongoing series I’ve been making since 2016. The process involves layering liquid beeswax and graphite powder onto timber, canvas, and linen surfaces, burnishing by hand between each layer. This builds depth and reflectivity in the graphite, intensifying the visual texture of the wood grain or fabric weave beneath.
Graphite is a pure form of carbon with an elemental link to diamond, yet it is soft and malleable. Its unique quality of absorbing and reflecting light gives the surfaces a shifting presence, which is affected by the environment around it, so I consider it an active, spatial material. It is also one of the earliest materials humans and our ancient ancestors used to make marks, and I believe that this deep-seated connection to the material can still be felt.
A: Art is always a dialog between the artist and the viewer. What kind of dialog do you wish to start?
JWM: Work focused on the visual representation of touch holds significant potential as a dialogical starting point because it is so central to the human experience. However, I’m not interested in dictating the nature of this dialogue. Once the work has left my studio what happens between it and the viewer is out of my hands.
A: What are you currently working on, and what are your plans for the future? Are there any subjects that you would like to explore further?
JWM: I’m currently working on a series of works on paper made with copper particles suspended in oil. I use the material to capture fleeting impressions of touch in motion. These will be my focus throughout the winter as I make my graphite paintings outdoors during the warmer months.
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2023
James William Murray Interviews Cecilia Vissers
Saturation Point
Cecilia Vissers and I both explore distinct formal problems with certain similarities. For the past 30 years, Cecilia has been working with the central motif of the curve, which she explores principally through hot-rolled steel and aluminium wall-mounted objects and floor pieces. My own practice is centred on a 1:2 cruciform – a problem that emerged through a series of drawings I made during a residency in Marfa, Texas USA, in the summer of 2022.
I first encountered Cecilia’s work at inde/jacobs gallery in Marfa, which has represented her for almost ten years. After making contact via social media, I visited Cecilia at her home and studio in Sint-Oedenrode in The Netherlands exactly one year later. Cecilia and her husband Hans welcomed me into their home and fed me a delicious vegetarian meal. Over the day and evening we spent together, Cecilia and I discussed several overlapping concerns and experiences in our lives as artists. We set out to consolidate some of these overlaps in this interview.
Cecilia and I meeting at this juncture in our careers feels significant. It marks the inception of a promising connection. Cecilia, having dedicated 30 years to exploring the curve, is now entering a pivotal phase we might call the 'third chapter' of her career. Meanwhile, I'm embarking on a new body of work centred on the cruciform, a trajectory I foresee continuing throughout my career. We both share a sense of contentment that our paths intersected at this point in time. I eagerly anticipate our further discussions, particularly during her upcoming presentation at Saturation Point on 24 September 2023.
James William Murray: I understand that the pieces showcased at Saturation Point belong to an ongoing project entitled ‘The Ocean Path’, which you initially exhibited at Scott Miller Projects in Birmingham, Alabama, USA, earlier this year. Could you please walk me through the pieces you are presenting in this exhibition and explain how they connect to the broader body of work?
Cecilia Vissers: People who know my work will immediately notice the expansion of my colour palette with purple, the colour of magic and power. I’ll show a new series of works entitled ‘Voe’. Each aluminium sculpture consists of two parts; the space between the two parts is very important. In theory, one could think away the sculpture’s tangible parts (the aluminium) and consider the space between them the actual sculpture. This is an interplay between the positive and negative space, the visible and invisible – what one feels and what one sees. My black/white photo prints of the wild landscapes and coastlines of the Shetland islands will be shown next to my aluminium sculptures. Here you see many coastal landscapes that are intersected by so-called voes or fjords. These photographs form the basis for my minimalist sculptures, it’s my aim to ‘link’ the abstract with the world around us. My multi-faceted project, entitled ‘The Ocean Path’, started in November 2022 with a working period on the Shetland Islands, a sub-arctic archipelago lying between Orkney, the Faroe Islands, and Norway. The exhibition at SP is the second exhibition in a series of four exhibitions. The third and fourth exhibitions will take place at Icoon Museum Hoek van Holland and the culture factory Noordkade in the city of Veghel (NL).
JWM: Could you please elaborate on your process, focusing on materials and the industrial techniques you employ? Additionally, can you discuss the collaborative relationships you have developed with craftspeople in relation to these processes?
CV: In my sculptures I look for strong and clear forms (hard-edge) with minimal features. Metal is the one perfect material for my sculptures because of its thickness, weight, and sharp edges. Working in such a hard material requires a well-thought-out plan; most interventions in a plate of steel or aluminium are irreversible so I want to make sure that the result meets my expectations. This characteristic of metal is consistent with my belief that each action has its effect, no matter how small the intervention is. The starting point of my work is a design in cardboard; after a 30-year career I have piles of designs in my studio. The next step is the execution of my works in steel or aluminium. This process is technically very complex; I deliver my models and digital files to three specialised metal companies. The aluminium works are milled using a 3D-milling technique in a closed cabin. The industrial colouring of aluminium usually requires more attention from a company, and this must fit into the production process. I do many material and colour proofs before I decide what thickness, surface treatment and shade of colour I choose for a particular design. The collaboration with specialised craftspeople in the industries is a very important part of my work. I have been working for 25 years with the same water-cutting company, where I can also store my material. These contacts are very important in my practice. Besides, it's inspiring to visit companies and learn what technical processes they use to produce metal objects in different forms, colours, and alloys.
JWM: While our work strictly adheres to non-representational forms, neither of us denies the presence of semantic content. How do you perceive the relationship between spirituality, nature, and abstraction within your work, and how do these elements shape its meaning?
CV: The exclusion of the unnecessary makes it possible to focus on the essential. Many studio visits lead to interesting, in-depth conversations about the essence of life. To me art and life are inseparable, there is a rise and fall, just like the waves in the ocean, a continuous movement. This brings me to the relationship of nature in my work. Although my metal sculptures appear to be abstract, each piece invokes my own landscape experience. I have a fascination for remote and wild places like Achill Island (IRL) and more recently the Shetland Islands. My travel to the northernmost cliffs of the Shetland Islands inspired me to start my project ‘The Ocean Path’. My works are characterised by a rectangular shape with incisions, or internal 'curves’. The addition of the 'external' curves or ‘waves’ is a totally new development in my work. It seems like a small step, but to me it feels like a revolution. These small subtle shifts are important and bring me closer to the essence of life. A small shift can be enough to bring about a significant change. These coastal landscapes reveal a fundamental truth. The power and serenity of nature bring me closer to the essence of life.
JWM: We both work with central formal ‘problems’; I explore a 1:2 cruciform motif, which is relatively new to me, but you have been working with the curve for the past 30 years. I am curious to hear what you have learned from the experience of working with this central form for so long...
CV: The ‘curve’ is a lifelong challenge to me, a positive certainty in my life. There are infinite variations in this theme, most of them just small changes that always take me a step further in my never-ending investigation. The road is long and inspiring. My first curve was a hand-cut curve in a rough strip of steel (1999); at that time I had no idea this would be the central theme in my work. Curve No.1 is still on my workbench, it’s my prototype. Sometimes people ask if it’s for sale, the answer is “I don’t sell my soul, not even for a million euros”. The curve is a small intervention in the metal plate, it changes the appearance of the strict geometric rectangle. The curve adds some lightness. Just a small change can affect the whole.
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2020
The Drawing Stone
Bryony Bodimeade
As two abrasive surfaces rub together, becoming particles and heat, they get smoother. Closing the creviced spaces between them their jagged edges disperse, puffing away into the air, falling as sediment. They change together and give to each other a grain. To be able to perceive the grain, the traces of exchange and disintegration, a closeness is needed again. So closely pored over, so thoroughly and continually marked, material appearance collapses into noise and an attentive sensitivity to this noise overtakes observational comprehension, nurturing an alertness to the relationships between presences.
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There is something contained in this body of James’ work, between the delicate material instability and the committed act, which causes me to catch at the exchange of touch and want to stay closely by it. Or should it be the committed materiality and the delicate act? either way it’s a reciprocal act of rubbing, where the one which rubs is also rubbed by, leaving both parties coated and burnished, both grimy and glossy. This is the effect. A glossy grime. A perfect grimey gloss. A crystalline layer of carbon atoms, in some lights a dull, humble grey - but this is graphite, an elemental sibling of diamond, highly conductive and resistant. A conduit for power to rush through. If you run a high electric current through a graphite pencil it combusts, charring the wood yet leaving the graphite rod unchanged. If a certain voltage were to be sent through one of these carbon veneers would it spark, throb with a hot glow, flash bright white with a bang, cause the cotton or linen threads to curl smouldering away? Or singe its smooth wooden host but then, once the volts had died down again, appear from the outside as though nothing had happened – its sheen and patina as ever: fine, morose, glittering/denying that it did so?
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Here, graphite, ‘the writing stone’, the erasable trace of the pencil – propositional and communicative - becomes an unbroken coat of mineral. In service of neither word nor mark the graphite as matter ground into a surface still however draws to its object a sense of proposition and can still be legible maybe as a letter. As though the graphite is here a mode of transmitting a gesture or feeling to others - to named recipients. I want to say it still makes a love letter.
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As I think about the names given to these pieces – Samuel, Daniel, Joseph, Jacob – who are presences in the network of the pieces' relations, I think about form-name-likeness: of what it is for something to be like something else, to name in likeness. Graphite archaically was called plumbago, meaning to resemble (agere) lead (plumbum). This slippage of appearance and likeness led too to the graphite in pencils being known as pencil lead, and to the name of the plumbago flower – with petals of a cloudy yet bright grey-blue, who’s sap leaves a lead-coloured stain on skin, and which was believed by Pliny the Elder, the first person recorded to use the name, to provide a cure for lead poisoning. There’s a soft style, a pillowy absorption of atmosphere, not a colour but the way that a colour is. A person, a petal, a metal, a mineral.
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A collection of qualities, of glosses and grimes, goes like, like, like: like a sun-starved under-leaf, like moisture on a dark rock in a clouded light, like squinting in the aching brightness of a smog, like a sequin putting gold sky in the gravelly dirt, like pointing to your face reflected in your knee in the bath. (A photograph of a plumbago flower inverted becomes what appears to be an image of a flower made of brass. Its odd tone and texture of cool gold-yellow an inversion of the warm blue-grey. This discovery is arbitrary, whimsical, serendipitous. Uncertainly, I’ll keep it in.)
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When the surface of the objects – the wood stretcher-bars, woven canvasses, flesh fingers – become coated in graphite, become with sheen, they become in a number of ways photographic, joining an interaction back and forth between space and light, developing and fixing. As they become light reflective objects, to be photographed, they seem too to have become their silvery selves in black-and-white prints. As they are coated in a shimmery membrane, sensitive and exposed, it is as though the mineral has enabled them to draw with light.
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In some pieces, a brass shim, less than half a millimetre thick, has been wrapped over timber – folded at the edges and corners like canvas over a stretcher - and hammered in different ways, causing the reflection to distort. It is fragile and thin, like a layer of skin. In others, brass is applied as a smooth panel. Like the graphite but differently it is rubbed and rubbed, in a struggle against its proclivity to smear, to record every touch, until it shines and reflects, until finger touches twin finger. By mirroring it widens space, connecting what it is with where it is and who it is with, and it makes these connections in a golden light which saturates them in an understanding of the workings of desire. In a desirous narrative of glow and reflection, touch and trace, permeation and exchange.
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There’s a sense, in this body of work, of the artist having found in the subtle changeability and environmental sensitivity of the graphite and brass a way for things to be which has the right feel. A way for things to be which is affected by conditions and space and the presence of others. Which takes on, extends, and reflects. As if these are articulated states of being-in-relation. Networks of relationships are established and at times these emerges as dualities, where one thing becomes understood in relation to a particular other thing: brass and graphite, material and body, self and other. But rather than these being portrayed as distinct binaries an attentiveness to interrelation, touching, process and cross pollination creates an attunement instead to intimate details of the differences within, of the overlaps, and of the becoming of each other.
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In places the brass and graphite physically touch one another. In these small but intense interactions - in the soft glow of gold in the grey-sheened weave, as in the calling out to another’s name, as in the methods of joining, as in the schemes of connecting - there is something like a critical intimacy, which ripples the unbroken surfaces of the objects with subjectivities, which considers the ways that attachments are created to and between ideas and things and people.